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Poster: Since 77 Date: Aug 24, 2007 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Big River a Barometer?

Not every show has a Big River, but I've found that Big River is often a barometer for the heat of the show in general. A smokin' Big River, and the show is probably gonna smoke too. Creative, meandering River, it's gonna be an experimental show. If you want to know what a show is gonna be like, listen to the Big River first. If you love it, listen to the whole show. And vice versa.
I know that thought is very unscientific, but in my experience/IMHO, it has at least a lttle merit.

Show without a Big River? Uhmmm....never mind.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 24, 2007 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

I use Brown Eyed Women.......as a barometer!:)

I know some others like Jack Straw as a barometer.....

This post was modified by high flow on 2007-08-24 17:48:16

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

yes, i like jack straw. but, bew is fine too.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

when Jerry ripped the ending of Promised Land I used to get a very good feeling.

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Poster: Tommy Gunn Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

its been said that "its all over now" was a sign that the vibes were right

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

Interesting concept. What are your thoughts on 12-31-90? It has a big river. Not sure it's meandering but a work in progress since Vince and bruce are on keyboards and still finding their way. Second set is very experimental.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

You didn't ask for my thoughts but I'll give them anyway - 12-31-90 is a phenominal show and quite possibly the best played New Years show ever. Certainly one of the top ones as far as musicianship goes. I love the whole show first and second sets. I give set I a lot of play when it's a kick back some beers on the back deck kind of early evening thing. Shit, I even love the Mexicali on it.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

concur on everything you said about this gig. 5 big stars even with garcia's vocal issues. Don't even have to think twice.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

You guys gotta listen too the pre 31 89 shows and the 89 new years show only runs out of gas in the very end. I'm not biased I was at both of these runs in 90 and 89 but the 89 run just blew me away. My favorite new years show still remains the 12-31-81 show although I have changed that opinion before but It still comes back to that show over the years.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

Not bad. I actually think the 88 New years run is very good.

The 89 run has a show with Jack straw second set opener that is very solid. Better than the New year's gig, I think

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

I was at the 88 run too and had maybe for myself for sure a legendary experience but I have not yet listened to these shows and only know them from memory so I only don't include them because I think my judgment might have been impaired at the time but as I've realized recently upon relistening to a bunch of other shows I've been at, my tripping ears were not as off as I thought.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

I really love night 1 in 88. Super second set with a UJB>miracle>jam and foolish out of space.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

That's what I remember is that the first night of the 88 new years shows was the best of them all. Although the day's after were very nice also in my memory. It is actually hard to compare any show I ever saw to a New Years show. The whole setting was so different. The Late time frame must be the thing here. Older heads probably will take this for granted but this was the only really late night show of the year usually later on.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 24, 2007 3:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

if you ever get to deciding to listen to the 88 NY's run there are some fantastic Healy sbd/aud matrix recordings available that capture the mood nicely

i recall the weather bein pretty frickin cold for California

Jer had the biggest ear to ear smile across his face for the Aiko opener...you know the rest

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 25, 2007 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

Yea it actually snowed in Oakland the night before show 1.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

I was at that whole 89 run ( as well as the 90 New Year run minus the New Years show which still bums me out )and have to agree that the shows prior were better.Also the 89 New YEars show was a little short. BUT, that was the only New Years show I was lucky enough to get a ticket for so of course I have great memories of it and love it.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 24, 2007 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

In my memory 89 new years wasn't short but it did have a bunch of extended gaps between the last few songs and it was clear by midnight hour that Jerry and the boys were very very tired. I remember getting out of that show later than the 88 new years show which was actually more fluid and better in my opinion but honestly I was pretty high both years. All said maybe 90-91 was the best actual new years show out of the three

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 24, 2007 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

but they were ALL good huh? Wish I could relive those days

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Poster: Since 77 Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

Good point. I generally find post-Brent shows more difficult to evaluate. Just like most attorneys and physicians tend to specialize, I think most Deadheads tend to do the same re. the Dead. It's much easier for me to give a useful opinion on '72-'74; '77-'79, and '80. The great majority of my listening is confined to those years, so I would refer your excellent question to one who listens more broadly than I. ; )

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Poster: prideofcucamonga Date: Aug 24, 2007 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Big River a Barometer?

But what if you get mixed signals? Killer Big River followed by a lousy BE Women? Or what if they open with a great Jack Straw but Jerry's wearing a red t-shirt? Chaos, my friend. Chaos.